Except that the culture in Ice is a lot more coli-oriented than Nature, so while both flights had the same opportunities to profit off LvP, the fact is that Ice definitely profited more from sheer volume.
This is a losing move for Nature. * A raffle is the one way for a flight to underpay for leveled fodder and it's okay because people are getting a chance at prices in exchange for their lack of profit. No raffles means that Nature loses this form of OOF support. * By the vault not funding the purchase of mercenaries, this also lessens the amount of OOF support Nature can receive. It comes down to individual pockets draining to buy them. * A public buy is only going to attract OOF support as long as it scales with the AH prices. If it doesn't, there goes Nature's third opportunity for OOF support.
This means that Nature is mostly going to be relying on its own vault to bleed on hatchlings blitzes and relying on its own members for training for the week. Their bank accounts and wrists will likely give out long before Ice's do.
Whenever people say that Ice is more coli-oriented and that that will help them pull ahead, I'm just so incredibly skeptical. Nature has shown time and time again that they have people willing to plop their asses in the coli to blitz to victory. They beat Light after all, who has recently shown that they match Plague's blitzing power. I know that sounds like a questionable equation of the Nature > Light > Plague > Ice sort, but when you come down to it, Light and Plague are huge coli-oriented flights who can go toe-to-toe and Nature has shown they can go toe-to-toe with Light. You can talk about hoarding and prep all you want, but after flights flip, it comes down to blitzing and available money, and Nature has shown they have enough people willing to fight for them and that they're willing to toss the dough around to win. Don't forget that they have some very rich members too.
As for OOF support, as long as the public buy scales, it'll be fine. I actually expect Nature to get more support OOF now than Ice, after Ice's latest PR disaster.
Nature has shown once they can get into the coli and throw down for a battle. Their wins since then were uncontested. And before LvN, let's not forget that Nature hadn't won dominance in well over a year unless it was for their festival.
And definitely not to discredit Nature's win because they gave Light a huge run for their money and that battle was very entertaining, but let's also not make that win out to be a bigger deal than it was. The Light they beat last summer is not the same Light that just beat Plague over six months later. Nature fought Light well, but Light (and hopefully all flights) have learned a lot since then. LvN was Battle of the 25s, and we know how outdated that is now.
Nature lost to Lightning on the last day of the push after leading most of the week because we had no functional Vault nor a blitzing program at all. Lightning got their win because they were more organized. Nature learns ^^ Our coli efforts are fine, we just still need to make effective dom programs.
Nature only has -one- conquest victory, and they scored it off Light who was in the process of self-destructing at the time. No wins before that, no wins since.
So, no. Nature hasn't shown 'time and time again'. They got a good win once, but for all we know it came right out of their asses. I suspect that Nature would get absolutely shredded by Light in its current form.
I believe anon is referring to their two conquest pushes before that where they lost but were flipping in the last few hours. They certainly weren't lazy pushes. Are they good enough against Ice? Eh.
But it does mean we have evidence they're quite willing to push up dragon prices in the AH - they were good battles to be selling during.
The entire reasoning mercing became as popular and profitable as it is, is because Ice slacked hrdcore on raising their oof buy prices.
No one is saying they won't raise the prices, but they have shown in the past that they aren't all that eager to ensure that oof trainers are well compensated for their efforts.
Based on past history, I'm gonna guess buy thread prices go up but only because Nature's raising. LvN2, one thing they did to get out in front was start with generous buy prices and leave Light scrambling to catch up. I wonder if Ice will actually refuse to raise and rely on their own very efficient levelers? That'd be interesting to see for once.
Ice made more. As someone beholden to both flights merc threads, Ice had an efficient system that allowed them to benefit from bulk buyers and I'd have to check the end spreadsheets to be sure, but they were selling more dragons THAN EVERY OTHER MERC THREAD COMBINED.
like, we're talking millions and millions got sunk into ice merc. now, i cant say for sure whether or not that money went into the bank or stayed with the trainers but trying to say ice didn't fleece the competing flights better than anyone else is bs
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(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)Re: +1
(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)This is a losing move for Nature.
* A raffle is the one way for a flight to underpay for leveled fodder and it's okay because people are getting a chance at prices in exchange for their lack of profit. No raffles means that Nature loses this form of OOF support.
* By the vault not funding the purchase of mercenaries, this also lessens the amount of OOF support Nature can receive. It comes down to individual pockets draining to buy them.
* A public buy is only going to attract OOF support as long as it scales with the AH prices. If it doesn't, there goes Nature's third opportunity for OOF support.
This means that Nature is mostly going to be relying on its own vault to bleed on hatchlings blitzes and relying on its own members for training for the week. Their bank accounts and wrists will likely give out long before Ice's do.
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(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)Whenever people say that Ice is more coli-oriented and that that will help them pull ahead, I'm just so incredibly skeptical. Nature has shown time and time again that they have people willing to plop their asses in the coli to blitz to victory. They beat Light after all, who has recently shown that they match Plague's blitzing power. I know that sounds like a questionable equation of the Nature > Light > Plague > Ice sort, but when you come down to it, Light and Plague are huge coli-oriented flights who can go toe-to-toe and Nature has shown they can go toe-to-toe with Light. You can talk about hoarding and prep all you want, but after flights flip, it comes down to blitzing and available money, and Nature has shown they have enough people willing to fight for them and that they're willing to toss the dough around to win. Don't forget that they have some very rich members too.
As for OOF support, as long as the public buy scales, it'll be fine. I actually expect Nature to get more support OOF now than Ice, after Ice's latest PR disaster.
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(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)Re: +1
(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)And definitely not to discredit Nature's win because they gave Light a huge run for their money and that battle was very entertaining, but let's also not make that win out to be a bigger deal than it was. The Light they beat last summer is not the same Light that just beat Plague over six months later. Nature fought Light well, but Light (and hopefully all flights) have learned a lot since then. LvN was Battle of the 25s, and we know how outdated that is now.
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(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)The Light Dom team now is a scary, well oiled machine that knows how to throw down AND encourage everyone to help.
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(Anonymous) 2016-03-04 01:48 am (UTC)(link)Re: +1
(Anonymous) 2016-03-04 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)Re: +1
(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)So, no. Nature hasn't shown 'time and time again'. They got a good win once, but for all we know it came right out of their asses. I suspect that Nature would get absolutely shredded by Light in its current form.
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(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)I believe anon is referring to their two conquest pushes before that where they lost but were flipping in the last few hours. They certainly weren't lazy pushes. Are they good enough against Ice? Eh.
But it does mean we have evidence they're quite willing to push up dragon prices in the AH - they were good battles to be selling during.
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(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)Re: +1
(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)No one is saying they won't raise the prices, but they have shown in the past that they aren't all that eager to ensure that oof trainers are well compensated for their efforts.
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(Anonymous) 2016-03-04 01:42 am (UTC)(link)-1
(Anonymous) 2016-03-03 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)Ice made more. As someone beholden to both flights merc threads, Ice had an efficient system that allowed them to benefit from bulk buyers and I'd have to check the end spreadsheets to be sure, but they were selling more dragons THAN EVERY OTHER MERC THREAD COMBINED.
like, we're talking millions and millions got sunk into ice merc. now, i cant say for sure whether or not that money went into the bank or stayed with the trainers but trying to say ice didn't fleece the competing flights better than anyone else is bs