If it's not a closed list, why are people freaking out about Refrayn and anyone else who's ever tried to get things going? Remember when Fjear, I think it was, freaked the team out by trying to get Brightshine organization going after talking to some people about how there wasn't a thread up yet and then getting one started? And then there are the complaints about Arekuru, who's big sin was to comment on dom without being a leader?