anonrising | #38 - I Love Every Nonny In This Comm

What's weird to me is there are apparently people upset over the flights' decision to not use official dom funds to buy from mercs. That sounds perfectly reasonable to me, besides which I think mercs will do decently anyway, so no reason to panic. The only thing I ever found shady was the proposal to ask other flights to shut down their merc threads, and it doesn't even show up in this thread. Weird.

i suspect it ties into ice being #1 gougers during the most recent conquest battles. people will invariably knock over the saltshaker if they perceive themselves as being screwed TWICE

nayrt

also because ice remains so very salty whenever mercs are mentioned. they were quick to make a buck from it, but whine whenever they have to pay.

no leveling allowed for anyone else

da

yes i think that's the main problem here. ice whined endlessly when mercs came about first during ivp but realistically nobody got fucked as hard in terms of overpaying mercs as plague and light during the last push. inb4 'no one made them' no nobody made them do it and they didn't complain about it either, it's just a fact. ice acted hard done by during ivp, then they milked the system, and now they're trying to discourage people from using mercs because only they're allowed to profit off everyone else apparently.

and i know in that thread they're only talking about dom funds but bringing the whole merc thing into question RIGHT after milking it dry just makes them seem like spoiled brats.

na

tbh if it was me deciding not to pay mercs from the vault, i would have done it as low profile as possible. call it internal budgeting, once the battle is about to start just tell the people they wouldn't get reimbursed, done. i'd never try to propose that to the other flight, especially not in the name of "fairness", lol

imo if ice felt "gouged" during ivp or ivf, it was due to their own bad choices or bad budgeting. and if any of them claim to "regret" mercing even after all the money they've made, it's because their preferred team didn't win. boohoo, can't have your cake and eat it too.

ayrt

i'm not sure if i mentioned it in my own post but yours reminded me - a huge part of my issue with the whole thing is them ANNOUNCING IT. it would be fine if they'd done what you said and just kept quiet about it. tbh no one would've even noticed.

lmao yeah. some dick in the gd post literally said they regret mercing and that they "lost several perma dragons to plague" okay so who forced you to send your permanent dragons to them?

Ehh, in fairness the posts that started all this were on a dom thread in Ice's private forums, it's not like they were announcing it loudly to everyone. It was as internal and low profile as it's realistically possible to be.

That said, it does come off as pretty hypocritical and cheap. As long as Nature is agreeing to it they can do whatever special rules they want, but wow does it seem miserly.

but if they planned to ask nature to agree, it wasn't going to remain internal or low profile anyway. if it had been meant to remain internal, there wouldn't be a need to announce it so much earlier.

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I'm so tired of this merc wank. As a merc, I want to profit, but it's not even fun for me seeing competing flights drain themselves bone dry over dominance. Obviously dominance battles are always going to be a bit about money, but it would be nice for money not to be the only factor.

If individual wealthy players want to throw money at mercs, and I'm sure they will, that's their business, but it's really not unreasonable to decide that official dom funds are better spent elsewhere.

Mercs need to simmer down and stop being so salty that not everyone wants to throw millions of treasure at them over dom. Especially when the battle in question hasn't even started.

hi icicle

money is never the only factor anymore in the year 2k16, mercs output is limited and that alone can't buy a win if there aren't people blitzing

ayrt

*friendly wave from wind flight

You are right, I shouldn't have said "only," but I do believe that we've created a system where money is the deciding factor. It doesn't matter how dedicated a flight is to leveling and exalting if they can't afford to buy fodder.

Curious question: has any flight EVER gone totally broke during a dom battle and lost because they had no more money? Most of the battles I've seen have been tough on the flight bank, but they've all ended with the flights digging deep and finding enough spare pocket change to carry them to the end. The limiting factor really doesn't seem to be money but the number of people who can effectively use that money.

Hard to say nonny. Not all flights are transparent about their funds. As an Icicle, I know that us lowly members are not privvy to that information. I have heard that Plague also does not share how much money is in their bank either...

There wouldn't be this much opposition to it if there hadn't been some pretty public posts (with screenshots) regarding; 1)An Ice dom leader's attitude toward this/toward mercs, 2) the fact that there was even a vote on whether or not to ask everyone else to play by Ice and Nature's self-imposed rules for this conquest.

Choosing not to use merc threads has happened in the past, it's going to happen again. The issue is how Ice and Nature have gone about it this time.

Of course, said Ice dom leader clearly represents the opinions of every other player in Ice.

Separately, I'm still not sure why everyone is so pissed about that vote because a) they didn't actually ask everyone else, and b) if they had, it's not like they could enforce their request even a little bit. As has been mentioned previously in all this wank, they can't even make demands of their own flight members not to patron merc threads, literally the only thing they have any control over is how the official dominance funds are used.

nayrt
Yes, a dom leader is seen as a representative of the flight. Not sure what rock you've been living under that you didn't realize this.

As to your other points, a) they said they are planning to, and as far as we know they are still planning to, and b) whether or not they can enforce it has never been the point. The point is that it's entitled as fuck for them to think they have any right to ask.

pretty sure they aren't going to with all the fucking shit stirring that's been going on over them even talking about not spending dom funds on mercs, forget about asking the mercs to not run

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I don't think most people are upset about being informed that the official dom funds are not being allocated to mercs, it's that Ice apparently thought they had the slightest authority and/or standing to "politely request" or "humbly ask" other flights to shut down their threads if only they got Nature's go-ahead. That's what smells about this whole business. If they hadn't done that, hardly anyone would've cared.

And that really sucks, because Ice members actually shut that idea down pretty hard in the forum and I think the dom people who suggested it backed off, but now the entire flight is getting shat on because of the suggestion of a few dom leaders.

If we'd actually let it go forward, we would have deserved every bit of hell we could catch for it, but we didn't and we're getting hate anyway. We just can't win.

We ought to go full Batman villain and embrace it. Fuck it. Let's be evil.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that the actual screenies got leaked. I feel like azurill's tone rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, and it doesn't help that the actual poll results were leaked as well. 70+% (IIRC) in favor does not look good for you guys, no matter how outspoken some individuals in the thread may have been.

But you guys are a dom flight, so drama is expected. If it makes you feel better, I'm sure that some peoples' hateboners for Rhea will drive people to support Ice.

You're right about that. What I don't think got out is that they shut the poll down early because someone rigged the voting to create that result. It was way off. Also, some people voted yes just to encourage not using mercs, but went on to specify in the thread that they didn't think dictating other flights actions was the way to do it.

Tru, nonny.

Tbh the poll was really misleading, the question was whether we wanted to use mercs or not, we weren't asked if we wanted to ask the mercs not to sell

I'm in nature so I can't speak to the ice poll, unless the wording was identical to what we had. That said, that poll was rubbish and misleading, as nonnie above has said. The majority of those who took time to comment on the discussion post, or to vote "other" and give an explanation (and as someone who has run polls before, getting people to chose other and provide the other option is nigh on impossible) were in favour on not allocating official dom funds to mercing, not in favour of attempting to tell other flights what to do. I suspect a lot of people, in both ice and nature assumed that's what the poll stood for.

The notion of "politely asking other flights not to run their merc threads" was shot down pretty decisively and as a nature member I'm pissed the dom leadership (both of them) aren't doing enough to quell this nonsense or even advocates it.

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The flight is getting shit on, because some salty Ice anon decided to spill it here rather than sharing their feelings with the flight. I would prefer to be mad at the drama-monger who did something purposefully malice than the dom leaders who suggested something dumb

Nah, the dom leader's post isn't just a bad suggestion, it shows they're a snotty jerk. Good on the dramamonger for letting us see the real attitude, not that anybody was surprised.