It was a discussion of how women shouldn't trust any men because men are 'more likely to be rapists', and how he was arguing that point with statistics implying that rape is more balanced across the board.
But even if women on male rape is underreported, I really can't see any way that women as rapists equal men as rapists. There is a lot of male on male rape as well as male on female rape. I'm not saying women don't rape. But while I could believe that males as victims and females as victims are close in number, I really can't see it being the same for perpetrators. Especially as I would assume most violent rape pretty much has to be perpetrated by men, due to the size and power differential. I'd love to see non-biased statistics that show women are just as likely to perpetuate rape as men are. Especially women on women as they were talking about fear for themselves.
And, honestly due to that? In this case, I can see the derailing. Because they were talking about how they were scared of/couldn't trust men because of rape. They weren't talking about how women were the only victims, but that they had concerns for themselves. And he turned it around to be about not-personal and about how they should be worried about male victims. This is not saying I think their actions after were justified. They weren't. At all.
You can't see any way of it equaling men... even if you include those recorded instances of women enveloping men as rape, which therefore makes the numbers almost equal... riiight.
And you know what, if tumblr's sitting there telling you that all men are rapists until proven otherwise and even when proven otherwise you should assume they're guilty anyway, then maybe they should be derailed so that we can go back to innocent until proven guilty.
But you aren't showing me those numbers. Show them to me. I agree that if women raping men was not included in those stats (although I was fairly sure that RAINN was for all victims and pretty good about that?) then they should be. And I'm also saying that even if the numbers of men being raped and women being raped are almost equal with the inclusion of the numbers, that doesn't mean that the number of women rapists equals the number of men rapists. It could be that 50 men are raped by men and 30 men are raped by women, while 90 women are raped by men and 10 women are raped by women. That would make 80 male victims and 100 female victims, so almost equal. However, that would still be 130 male rapists to 40 female rapists and both men and women should be warier of men.
"if tumblr's sitting there telling you that all men are rapists until proven otherwise and even when proven otherwise" But it isn't? It is saying that you don't know who the 10% of men (or whatever the percentage is) who rape are, so you should be wary of all men. Odds are that the guy in front of you is innocent and will always be innocent, but it's better to be wary and proven wrong than to trust blindly and be proven correct. How is it a bad thing to want to meet for a first date in a public place because a private place could be dangerous? How is it a bad thing to want to go out as a group at night because you could be raped and there is safety in numbers? It isn't saying that "OMG each man you meet is totally going to rape you!!!!!" it is saying that you can't separate the people who will rape from the people who will not by appearance alone, so be cautious.
Although you are the one arguing that if someone gets drunk it is totally their fault if someone else takes advantage of them, so I don't know why I expect you to be reasonable and logical.
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
anonrisingcomod) wrote in ![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
anonrising2015-06-29 12:57 pm
no subject
(Anonymous) 2015-07-01 02:28 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2015-07-01 02:57 am (UTC)(link)But even if women on male rape is underreported, I really can't see any way that women as rapists equal men as rapists. There is a lot of male on male rape as well as male on female rape. I'm not saying women don't rape. But while I could believe that males as victims and females as victims are close in number, I really can't see it being the same for perpetrators. Especially as I would assume most violent rape pretty much has to be perpetrated by men, due to the size and power differential. I'd love to see non-biased statistics that show women are just as likely to perpetuate rape as men are. Especially women on women as they were talking about fear for themselves.
And, honestly due to that? In this case, I can see the derailing. Because they were talking about how they were scared of/couldn't trust men because of rape. They weren't talking about how women were the only victims, but that they had concerns for themselves. And he turned it around to be about not-personal and about how they should be worried about male victims. This is not saying I think their actions after were justified. They weren't. At all.
no subject
(Anonymous) 2015-07-01 03:39 am (UTC)(link)And you know what, if tumblr's sitting there telling you that all men are rapists until proven otherwise and even when proven otherwise you should assume they're guilty anyway, then maybe they should be derailed so that we can go back to innocent until proven guilty.
no subject
(Anonymous) 2015-07-01 03:41 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2015-07-01 03:49 am (UTC)(link)"if tumblr's sitting there telling you that all men are rapists until proven otherwise and even when proven otherwise"
But it isn't? It is saying that you don't know who the 10% of men (or whatever the percentage is) who rape are, so you should be wary of all men. Odds are that the guy in front of you is innocent and will always be innocent, but it's better to be wary and proven wrong than to trust blindly and be proven correct. How is it a bad thing to want to meet for a first date in a public place because a private place could be dangerous? How is it a bad thing to want to go out as a group at night because you could be raped and there is safety in numbers? It isn't saying that "OMG each man you meet is totally going to rape you!!!!!" it is saying that you can't separate the people who will rape from the people who will not by appearance alone, so be cautious.
Although you are the one arguing that if someone gets drunk it is totally their fault if someone else takes advantage of them, so I don't know why I expect you to be reasonable and logical.