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[(Anonymous)]

Imo fr should base dom placings (and maybe dom bonuses too) on the amount of people who exalt in a flight, not the whole flight population.

There can be 1000 people with 100 exalters in flight A and 500 people with 100 exalters in flight B. While it seems like flight a has the population advantage, they don't based on the active exalters ratio.

Even if it's one dragon exalted, it'll count as an active exalter. Dunno how easy it'll be to code, but it'll help stop some flights from curbstomping others with the ratio on their side. I imagine it'll encourage more flights into dom as well?

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with that is you can game the system and funnel exalts to a small group of people.

[(Anonymous)]

da

And what's exactly the problem with that? Like, Flight A gets a ton of dragons from OOF? Well, Flight B can do the same, depending on their popularity/infamy and they'll have the exact same value. Now the only advantage is the popularity, not their size.

[(Anonymous)]

other da

the problem is that you can lie saying you have 10 active exalters when you actually have 100, because those other 90 are funneling to the first 10

[(Anonymous)]

da

Because surely it would end up being an organized effort in-flight to have as few 'exalters' as possible, sending all their dragons to that singular(or few) person to exalt. Still a size issue(who can get most dragons to x person to exalt) but now also an organizational issue(system favours the least people possible exalting, an exalter needs to be appointed), plus, and I don't know about you, but part of the fun in a battle is doing the exalting myself which would be discouraged by this system.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

If a flight is willing to go through that much trouble and it works for them, I'd say let them - personally, I would find it too much of a hassle for our heads to coordinate. Furthermore: since it would suck the fun out of dom for a lot of people, and since you can't REALLY control every single person in a flight (all it takes is one non-dom focused, non-forum-goer account exalting on their own, unrecorded, to topple the whole thing), and since queuing up dragons into a single/few exalters' lairs would clog up exalting, in the end it's not really all that worth the effort.






Really, though, just imagine appointing a single person (or even a few!) to do in-flight attending for an ENTIRE flight. Not hundreds, but THOUSANDS of PAs, around the clock for the whole week, that would ALSO not be available for OOF attending or training of their own. And then that person (or those persons) taking the blame for not finishing up in time at the end. *Shudder.*

op

[(Anonymous)]

You make a good point. What if it calculates based on people who've leveled in a coliseum rather than exalted? So if you enter the coliseum, it counts toward your dom numbers? I don't think it'd be easy to cheat the system that way?

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

Nooooo. Bad idea. This would mean that those who train would have to train a lot, and those who only train a couple of dragons (eg newbies without a proper trainer, people with little time, those who can't train much because of disabilities) would be discouraged from training. Go hard or go home. It'd be so toxic.

The new optimum strategy would be to discourage anyone but a few to go into the coliseum and funnel all the levels to them.

Dom as it is now is far from perfect, but it's also really hard to improve on.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

Dominance is about exalting though...

[(Anonymous)]

I'm replying here but everyone downthread is misunderstanding something: Active Users are anyone who logs in at any point 2 weeks prior to the final dom calculation. http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/1327998/584

You don't want to minimize participants or discourage people from NOT participating. Just by them logging in, they are now counted in the active user total. Funneling them to designated exalters doesnt mean only those exalters are counted as active. Any logging in to just look at your health bar is considered active.

You WANT to maximize participants. You want to maximize how many of your flights active users are participating. Part of Light and Earth's success is that people go to those flights specifically for dom and they deliver with continual dom programs where you can be "Active" and participate in ways that keep Light and Earth top of the dom board.

[(Anonymous)]

Thats part of the meta. The more a flight makes dom easier for casuals to jump in to, the higher number of exalters they have in proportion to their active members. Or at least that should be a strategy for larger flights. Larger flights want to maximize as many people exalting as possible - spread out workload so you can outlast a smaller flight. Even if it's just one dragon. Smaller flights are limited in numbers and so have to maximize how many dragons each member exalts.

[(Anonymous)]

Issue is that with eliminate being harder to obtain, it makes newer people not able to participate as easily

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, i feel this is the bigger issue re:dom

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the Eliminate Issue is definitely having an impact.

[(Anonymous)]

1000% sick of Eliminate becoming rarer. Seen people say that FR Staff wants people to stop relying on Eliminate so much, but that ship sailed a long time ago. They had years to modify the Coli/Stones to make another viable build, but they didn't. Making something harder for newbies/more expensive for the everyone because you don't like something you never fixed is ridiculous, they need to suck it up and accept that it's too late to change it now

[(Anonymous)]

In order to make it fair we should simply get rid of raffles and PBs, then the ratio would work as intended. But no one would agree to that because everyone wants to make money.

[(Anonymous)]

You say that like raffles and public buys don’t exist as tactics people came up with to win. “How can we get more dragons? Ooh, I know, what if we had a raffle?!”

FFS I am so tired of people thinking these things are only for greedy people.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you think Earth wouldn't agree to "no raffle" rule if the other flight suggested it, then? I remember them pushing without raffles before - think they were first to do so, even? Not in a conquest, but still.

However, it's considered bad to fight without one, mostly because of the backlash the fighting flights would get from the community.

[(Anonymous)]

I am pretty sure both Plague and Earth have conquest pushed with no OOF involvement before. They both survived.

[(Anonymous)]

Light literally conquested recently with no raffle. So it can be done. Gonna admit i'm surprised nobody complained about that though tbh, but it definitely can be done. Although they weren't in a battle against anyone, so maybe that was why.

[(Anonymous)]

Plague conquest pushed with no raffle against another flight with a raffle and won, this was in '14 iirc

The meta at that time was that the resources spent on the raffle would have greater impact if they were spent directly in flight on dom instead

[(Anonymous)]

I know Plague and Earth agreed to some No Mercs/No raising prices fight; I'm not sure on the specific agreement but Earth smoked Plague, I don't think Plague ever flipped

[(Anonymous)]

During LvE, the first, last April, Earth only had a public buy while Light had a raffle.

Or do you mean no out of flight help at all?

Because, yeah, there is a ton of previous vented outrage built up around that concept. Just check the last AR post or two.
Earth v Plague had a lot of salt for doing minimal oof involvement (both only had small public buys).

Basically boils down to not including OOF isn't fun for anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

How about we just stop whining about how dom is unfair and just git gud?

+1000000

[(Anonymous)]

YEAAAHH BOOOOII